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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2008 :  17:07:34  Show Profile
Hey moders I need some out of the box thinking. With the way rover goes through wheels I need a quick/easy way to get the wheels off the axel. My two ideas so far is ... 1- tap/die the end of the axel and add a lock nut....2- drill a hole on the end of the axel and add a cotter pin.... will either of these work or do you have a better way. please share.

streaker69
Journeyman Modder


Pennsylvania
USA

255 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2008 :  17:49:46  Show Profile  Visit streaker69's Homepage
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=33373

http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=33372

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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2008 :  18:34:44  Show Profile
Those look cool but with all the bumping and vibration are they reliable? I don't want to lose


7.52 KB one on the trail.
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BonnerBB
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Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/20/2008 :  19:00:46  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
I use the 7/16" collar and have never had a problem per the recommendation of others.

You may need to grind the lips of the axle down a little bit to be able to fit them on. I use a dremel tool to do that and it takes just seconds.

If you don't want to mess with grinding the lip a little then the 1/2" collars work. They don't look as good on and have alot of slop... I recommend the 7/16" instead if you want to do it right.

Swhenrik drills and cotter pins his axles.... I am sure he will chime in here...

But of course you could always read the FAQ on it!
http://www.modifiedpowerwheels.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3152&SearchTerms=fastenal

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gameboy
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just north of austin
tx
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4796 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2008 :  21:34:37  Show Profile
+1 for what bonner said.

"free is always better"
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steveb
Journeyman Modder

st augustine
fl
USA



398 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2008 :  03:40:49  Show Profile
i crossed drilled the axle and used hitch pins and a big washer.
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streaker69
Journeyman Modder


Pennsylvania
USA

255 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2008 :  06:57:25  Show Profile  Visit streaker69's Homepage
I just called my local Fastenal store and ordered 20 of the 33373 for $.84 each and 10 of the 33372 for $.64 each. If there is one near you, I recommend you call them and have them shipped to the store rather than order them from the website. It's cheaper.

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BonnerBB
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Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/21/2008 :  08:40:09  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Those are alot better prices than I paid for the when I ordered them online! I will definitely call a talk to a human being about the price next time! Thanks for the info!

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Batteries Included
Senior Modder

Deltona
Florida
USA



1474 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2008 :  16:27:28  Show Profile
The ones that I get at Ace are stainless steel. I got two from Fasntnal that are anodized steel that were cheap. Their price on the stainless were about the same as Ace.

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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  11:03:32  Show Profile
so ace hardware has them... we have an ace near us but i have never heard of a fasntnal.
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streaker69
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Pennsylvania
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255 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  11:14:07  Show Profile  Visit streaker69's Homepage
I just picked up my order from Fastenal today. Here's the catch, and I guess it's my fault since I didn't ask, but they did charge me shipping to the store, $7.50. I guess if I had pushed I could have gotten them later than overnight, but I didn't bother to ask before hand. oh well.

These don't look like they're zinc plated, they look stainless, they're fairly heavy as well. Still, 20 7/16th and 10 3/8th only cost $32.00 shipped to the store. No biggie really.

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BonnerBB
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Houston
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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  11:23:33  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by Batteries Included

The ones that I get at Ace are stainless steel. I got two from Fasntnal that are anodized steel that were cheap. Their price on the stainless were about the same as Ace.



All I found on Ace Hardware's site was this inferior product at over $2 bucks each! http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1291890&cp=&kw=shaft+collar&origkw=shaft+collar&sr=1

Do you have a part number for the ones you get from Ace Hardware?

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gameboy
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4796 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  12:17:20  Show Profile
quote:
20 7/16th and 10 3/8th only cost $32.00 shipped to the store


thats 12.00 for shipping if you got 20. you did pay .99 a piece right?

and yes, could you get a part number for the ones at ace, i have one near me too. i would love to just go and buy them, that would be cool.
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BonnerBB
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Houston
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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  12:20:58  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
He got 30...

20 of 7/16
10 of 3/8

Do you act like you can't count just so you can be the post leader?

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gameboy
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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  12:22:21  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by BonnerBB

He got 30...

20 of 7/16
10 of 3/8

Do you act like you can't count just so you can be the post leader?



well... aparently not. thanks for getting my back and making me look like a jackass.

"free is always better"
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BonnerBB
Senior Modder

Houston
Texas
USA



2225 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  12:31:56  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
No problem Jackass!

Post 1044 and counting!

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gameboy
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4796 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  12:46:18  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by BonnerBB

No problem Jackass!

Post 1044 and counting!



LOL 3063 and counting.

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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  13:17:21  Show Profile
Ok i just got back from ace hardware and yes they have the parts.. i just picked up the wrong size... They ran me $2.55 each
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BonnerBB
Senior Modder

Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  13:29:35  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Hope you only bought 4!

At that price - To buy 30 of them would have cost you $76.00 instead of the $32 that streaker69 just paid... Fastenal could have delivered them to your door too!

Guess Batt was wrong.

Fastenal's collars are by all means not cheap!!! You decide for yourself...

Fastenal:


Ace:



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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  13:35:14  Show Profile
na I only bought 4, no need to go crazy yet.
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streaker69
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Pennsylvania
USA

255 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  17:02:50  Show Profile  Visit streaker69's Homepage
I just did some test fitting with the ones I picked up today. The fit perfectly on the Axles, and they definitely have some decent weight to them. They don't look like they're plated, look more like they're stainless, but I'm not a metallurgist.

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Batteries Included
Senior Modder

Deltona
Florida
USA



1474 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  18:59:27  Show Profile
The ones that I got don't look like the one that you have in the lower picture. They look exactly like the one in the file photo.

Excellent.
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BonnerBB
Senior Modder

Houston
Texas
USA



2225 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2008 :  20:49:20  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
File photo?

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Senior Modder

Deltona
Florida
USA



1474 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2008 :  03:47:11  Show Profile
I'm sorry, here, this is the one I mean,

Insert Image:

The ones that I get from Ace are exactly like this one. Plus like I said they are stainless steel.

Excellent.
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indyvader
Apprentice Modder

Fishers
IN
USA



71 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2008 :  05:33:30  Show Profile
What is the ACE part #?

1. Barbie Jeep x2 (12v & 18v)
2. Harley Davidson x2 (12v & 18v)
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Reinvent the wheels
Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2008 :  08:17:37  Show Profile
This is the website for the 10 pack http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1291890&cp=&kw=shaft+collar&origkw=shaft+collar&sr=1
hope this helps. and by the way they work great... i can tire change like nascar now.
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BonnerBB
Senior Modder

Houston
Texas
USA



2225 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2008 :  09:13:14  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Really don't know why anyone would want to pay $2.55 each for those at Ace when you can get them for right at a buck from Fastenal.com and have them delivered to your door!

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treebeme
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Holtsville
NY
USA



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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  09:27:22  Show Profile
The stainless ones at fastenal.com are $2.99 each. So if the Ace ones are stainless, they are actually cheaper at $2.55 each.

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Screamin Demon (600 watt scooter motor, 36v scooter controller)
Red Harley (trike, 24v scooter controller, 13t MFJ gearboxes/motors)
KFX Quad (24v scooter controller, MFJ 12t gearboxes/motors)
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BonnerBB
Senior Modder

Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  09:32:17  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Could you look up a stainless axle rod replacement while you are at it!

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swhenrik
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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  10:04:54  Show Profile  Visit swhenrik's Homepage
Bonner, where would YOU use stainless?

The visible area of the axle.... 7/16" diameter (the very tip of the axle).
The visible area of the collar.... the whole damn thing.

The areas that can rust on the axle... no where that you can see it, and no where that matters assuming it's run occasionally. If the collar gets rusty, it looks bad, and the threads may lock up and you won't get them off again.

The downside... Stainless, as a generalization, isn't as good for threaded holes as regular mild steel..... if there's a burr, it tends to ball up inside the threads.

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BonnerBB
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Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  11:11:12  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by swhenrik

Bonner, where would YOU use stainless?



Did you not see the clown face? It was a joke!

Do you have the flu again? Haven't seen you in a while and your answers to post are a little slow today..

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swhenrik
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Pengilly
MN
USA



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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  11:40:46  Show Profile  Visit swhenrik's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by BonnerBB

Did you not see the clown face? It was a joke!
Oh, you say you don't use smiley's, so I thought you were putting self portraits in.
quote:
Originally posted by BonnerBB

Do you have the flu again? Haven't seen you in a while and your answers to post are a little slow today..

I was at a seminar in Erie Tuesday-Thursday. And then trying to get some work done today as I'll be on vacation all of next week.

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BonnerBB
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Houston
Texas
USA



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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  11:55:12  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Oh mighty Swhenrik - maybe you could make this the Definitive Shaft Collar thread and link it to your
Things that hold on wheels FAQ<--------------------------------JOKE!

Or add a link to the ACE Stainless Collar's part number that nobody has provided us in the FAQ. <---------------------NOT A JOKE!

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Deltona
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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  13:35:08  Show Profile
The Ace Hardware stores that I frequent don't actually stock their parts bins where these are located. The vendor that owns the bins comes in the refill them, so if you call your local Ace they may not be aware of the particular item off hand (though the one I frequent the most is run by a bunch of old school guys that know their stuff). If I get a chance then I will get the numbers as soon as possible. I have so much going on this weekend though.

Excellent.
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swhenrik
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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  13:41:25  Show Profile  Visit swhenrik's Homepage
Bonner, I unlocked that thread so you can add that info.

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BonnerBB
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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  13:52:23  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by swhenrik

Bonner, I unlocked that thread so you can add that info.



Done - but you may want to slide it up into Gameboy's post...

Lock it!!!

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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  14:14:36  Show Profile  Visit swhenrik's Homepage
I meant the links to the parts, not the link to the thread.

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BonnerBB
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Posted - 05/23/2008 :  14:23:29  Show Profile  Visit BonnerBB's Homepage  Send BonnerBB a Yahoo! Message
Nobody provided a part number hence why I said:
quote:
Originally posted by BonnerBB


Or add a link to the ACE Stainless Collar's part number that nobody has provided us in the FAQ.



Sorry.

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Apprentice Modder

hickory
nc
USA

70 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2008 :  18:49:40  Show Profile
I decided to stick with the 1/2 inch collar. it is a little big but i was afraid that if i get too many wheels from different places (freecycle) then the inner wheel depths might/would be different. so far it woorks good.
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Grunchy
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Calgary
Alberta
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Posted - 07/21/2008 :  22:38:33  Show Profile
Hey, I bought 20 of them Item# 1-2766-43 from surpluscenter.com for 60 cents apiece & they look good too. As of today they only have 125 left. I bought them with a bunch of other stuff, so basically, postage was included.

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epi4561
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Posted - 08/29/2008 :  00:11:12  Show Profile
I just wanted to add something, albeit not about the shaft collars, I would not recommend using the tap & die method on vehicles with a single straight rod. Unless you also fabricate some sort of lock for it, the entire rod will spin whenever you try to tighten the lock nuts. Just my 2 cents worth.


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sdubb
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Posted - 01/05/2009 :  11:25:43  Show Profile
I went to ACE and they were almost $3 a pop. NO Thanks. Then I saw this in an ad today. If you have a Harbor Freight you get a bunch of sizes not needed but you do get 7/16 and 1/2 so bout .99 each with some extra stuff.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38336

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quote:
Originally posted by sdubb

I went to ACE and they were almost $3 a pop. NO Thanks. Then I saw this in an ad today. If you have a Harbor Freight you get a bunch of sizes not needed but you do get 7/16 and 1/2 so bout .99 each with some extra stuff.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38336



Cool, thanks for the info. 1 set still costs less than a single shaft collar at ACE. My Ace had them for about $2.50-$2.75 each too, so I passed. The 3/8" collar can be used on the steering columns too. I put one on my Blue thunder since the the Cap Nut left a large enough gap so the steering wheel had a lot of play in it.

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12V Lil Jeep, 18V Turbo Sun Jammer Jeep, 12V Super 6 F150 Blue Thunder,
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sdubb
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Posted - 01/05/2009 :  14:40:22  Show Profile
Okay Cool I will bite and get some. I didnt know we had a use for another one that was in the mix. I feel for you when I saw the almost $3 price at ACE, and neither HD or Lw's had anything like this. Supposedly they carry them in the summer around here in the Air Condition area I think they are used on pulleys.

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PCCharger
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Palm Coast
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Posted - 01/05/2009 :  14:58:20  Show Profile
I bought some from Ace a few weeks ago and the one I usually go to only had three 1/2 at $1.69 each. Then I stop at another Ace across town for number four and they were over $3. We have 4 Ace Hardwares in my town and they are all owned by the same person. Not sure whats up with all the different prices.
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gseric69
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Posted - 01/05/2009 :  21:14:41  Show Profile  Visit gseric69's Homepage
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Originally posted by sdubb

Okay Cool I will bite and get some. I didnt know we had a use for another one that was in the mix. I feel for you when I saw the almost $3 price at ACE, and neither HD or Lw's had anything like this. Supposedly they carry them in the summer around here in the Air Condition area I think they are used on pulleys.



Fastenel sells them too, but even if you go to a store, they have to special order them, and still pay shipping charges. I checked at the store near me, and that's what I was told. I can't remember how much they were though.

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Posted - 01/06/2009 :  12:00:00  Show Profile
i order all mine through fastenall. for 20 i pay 21.95 with shipping. you save a little bit if you order online from fastenall and pick up at the store.

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sdubb
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Posted - 01/15/2009 :  16:17:38  Show Profile
Finally found some collar shafts for a price I could handle They were .75 cents for one I grabbed 4 for now The place that had them is a small local store that sells lots of hardware. The quality looks pretty good and do NOT seem like they are cheaply made.

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gameboy
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Posted - 01/15/2009 :  17:33:07  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by sdubb

Finally found some collar shafts for a price I could handle They were .75 cents for one I grabbed 4 for now The place that had them is a small local store that sells lots of hardware. The quality looks pretty good and do NOT seem like they are cheaply made.



you should buy a bunch before the price goes up.

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sdubb
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Posted - 01/15/2009 :  17:54:06  Show Profile
I was thinking about it but, I am a cheapskate! This is a trial run to see if they live up to all the HYPE.

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