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Lightning
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Posted - 09/20/2010 :  16:22:28  Show Profile
Ok... I have done a considerable amount of reading, and wanted to ask for some help. Is there an aftermarket replacement for the Foot Pedal Throttle Cable (Hall Effect) that TNC sells because the rep on the phone told me that it would be 120+ days out before they would POSSIBLY get more in stock. I am also ok with the idea of building my own variable throttle so if you have any plans or know of any that would be GREAT! Thanks a lot for the help!

CJB
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Posted - 09/20/2010 :  16:28:03  Show Profile  Visit CJB's Homepage
Back in the day before TNC even HAD the foot throttle, people used to modify a thumb throttle to work with a PW pedal. Do a quick search. I know I've seen it on here.

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hotrodtodd
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  13:25:19  Show Profile  Visit hotrodtodd's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Lightning

Ok... I have done a considerable amount of reading, and wanted to ask for some help. Is there an aftermarket replacement for the Foot Pedal Throttle Cable (Hall Effect) that TNC sells because the rep on the phone told me that it would be 120+ days out before they would POSSIBLY get more in stock. I am also ok with the idea of building my own variable throttle so if you have any plans or know of any that would be GREAT! Thanks a lot for the help!





Might try here http://www.electricscooterparts.com/throttles.html

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Ryum
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  13:38:38  Show Profile
"Hall Effect Foot Pedal Throttle
For Chinese-made electric scooters, bicycles, pocket bikes, mini choppers and go karts. Wire colors: Red, Black, and Green. 49" long control cable with connector at end. "
$23.95



that would work with a power wheel?
And to make sure I understand, a "hall effect" throttle is basically like a go-cart's or car's gas pedal where speed will increase as you push down harder instead of the basic complete on / off and wheels stopped that is standard in a power wheel?
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hotrodtodd
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  13:56:56  Show Profile  Visit hotrodtodd's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Ryum

"Hall Effect Foot Pedal Throttle
For Chinese-made electric scooters, bicycles, pocket bikes, mini choppers and go karts. Wire colors: Red, Black, and Green. 49" long control cable with connector at end. "
$23.95



that would work with a power wheel?
And to make sure I understand, a "hall effect" throttle is basically like a go-cart's or car's gas pedal where speed will increase as you push down harder instead of the basic complete on / off and wheels stopped that is standard in a power wheel?






Yes thats how they work,but you must use them with a scooter controller.
Wiring them directly to a PW harness will burn them up almost instantly because of the amount of amps these little motors draw.

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treebeme
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  13:57:01  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Ryum

"Hall Effect Foot Pedal Throttle
For Chinese-made electric scooters, bicycles, pocket bikes, mini choppers and go karts. Wire colors: Red, Black, and Green. 49" long control cable with connector at end. "
$23.95



that would work with a power wheel?
And to make sure I understand, a "hall effect" throttle is basically like a go-cart's or car's gas pedal where speed will increase as you push down harder instead of the basic complete on / off and wheels stopped that is standard in a power wheel?



Sort of. The pedal by itself is useless. It's designed to work with a scooter controller that actually handles the power to the motors. It's no different than a twist throttle. It's basically a different kind of potentiometer that sends the throttle signal to the controller.

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Ryum
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  14:09:47  Show Profile
If there is one, what would be the alternative to the scooter pedal that would work with a power wheel?
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Divinar
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  15:16:45  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Ryum

"Hall Effect Foot Pedal Throttle
For Chinese-made electric scooters, bicycles, pocket bikes, mini choppers and go karts. Wire colors: Red, Black, and Green. 49" long control cable with connector at end. "
$23.95



that would work with a power wheel?
And to make sure I understand, a "hall effect" throttle is basically like a go-cart's or car's gas pedal where speed will increase as you push down harder instead of the basic complete on / off and wheels stopped that is standard in a power wheel?



That's exactly the one TNC Scooters was selling for $12. Makes me wish I'd bought more than one at the time!


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Ryum
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  15:27:48  Show Profile
I am confused, you can use that pedal on power wheels?
Or you can only use that pedal for scooters?
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chozian
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  15:31:28  Show Profile  Visit chozian's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Ryum

I am confused, you can use that pedal on power wheels?
Or you can only use that pedal for scooters?



It must be used with a scooter controller. I don't believe there is a hall effect throttle that can be directly connected to the stock Power Wheels wiring and still function properly.


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Ryum
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  15:45:26  Show Profile
I think we're getting lost in the terminology

in a line is this possible

TNC "hall effect" pedal -> insert wire -> insert name of something I don't know -> insert another thing I don't know -> plugged/wired in such a way it controls the throttle of a super6 power wheel

Not sure how else to ask the question
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Divinar
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  16:06:40  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Ryum

I think we're getting lost in the terminology

in a line is this possible

TNC "hall effect" pedal -> insert wire -> insert name of something I don't know -> insert another thing I don't know -> plugged/wired in such a way it controls the throttle of a super6 power wheel

Not sure how else to ask the question



First, yes.

The "scooter controller" is a generic name for a device that delivers a variable amount of power to the motors.

A scooter controller needs some kind of a signal to know if it's full throttle, half throttle, or none. Most scooters have a twist grip or a thumb throttle on the handlebars.

Or a foot throttle.

Only about 5 volts go through the throttle - less than 1/100 of a watt total power.

The controller takes that info and sends the right amount of power out to the motors.

(I'm over-simplifying this for the discussion - more info is here if you want to know how it all works inside the box)

Now, the problems:

  • 24v controllers are pretty affordable - 12v and 18v ones aren't

  • 24v can melt your motors faster - especially Super6 motors

  • 24v is fast


That said, I'm using one in my Grape Gaucho, and I have the feeling I'm going to be adding it to all the full-size ones I keep.

Here's a quick layout for the wiring, just to give you an idea of what it looks like:


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Ryum
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  16:40:51  Show Profile
Thank you for the detailed reply, I'll keep this throttle idea in mind if I ever get to the point I wanted to go from dual 6 volt to 24 volt which isn't likely to happen anytime soon. I have not even got to adding another 6 volt yet.

Just out of curiosity but if you were to go up beyond 12v in a super6... wouldn't you need to go ahead and replace the wiring and motor, and possibly more?

In general it would be another power wheel just the same plastic frame?
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Lightning
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Posted - 09/22/2010 :  20:40:11  Show Profile
Yea I am building my Helloy Kitty C5R (Safety First Corvette) for my daughter, but when I went to purchase this pedal they are all sold out everywhere I look.. Even the Electric Scooter place mentioned earlier. I am using two scooter controllers linked in parallel.

So if I can't find one I will have to build one. So to make life easier I found the post earlier on the site that took one apart and found that it just used a 5K pot. I found one that seems to be even better for our application than the one at TNC.

http://www.newark.com/bi-technologies-tt-electronics/404r5kl1-0/pot-lin-motion-5kohm-10-250mw/dp/15M2437


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kidsonroll
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Posted - 11/10/2010 :  04:04:32  Show Profile  Visit kidsonroll's Homepage
Great site... i was looking out for a throttle for a pedal car for my son i hope that this works... the car is great but only thing was i did is purchase a pedal car ( http://kidsonroll.com/ ) but thats a lot this forum helped me

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colinandmylesmom
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Posted - 11/17/2010 :  21:38:40  Show Profile
How easy are these pedals to install, we have the 24V controller on our SP Gaucho 24V, and I want to swap out our stock pedal for this Hall effect, to see if it makes our vehicle run better, since right now it doesn't seem to get enough power to the motors, which some think may be because the stock 24V gaucho pedal doesn't relay the info right?

Hoping this would make it work better.



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